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| − | ==How To==
| + | [[Main_Plot_Arc| The overall story arc]] really needs to be expanded/solidified. |
| − | How do I create a new page?
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| − | :[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Starting_a_new_page The help page] says, in short, make a link to the page, or search for it. up near the top it will say "'''There is no page titled "fluugle".''' You can [[fluugle|create this page]]." click on "create this page" to start editing the new page.
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| − | How do I link a page?
| + | [[The University]] needs some more details. Maybe some sketches. |
| − | : the trick is the double square brackets <nowiki> [[like these]] </nowiki>. If you like, you can also use the 'pipe' symbol to make the displayed text different from the linked article name [[Durand|like so]] : <nowiki> [[Durand|like so]] </nowiki>
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| − | Use the interwebz to embue an electronic golem with unnatural life?
| + | [[Escape]] backstory could always be fleshed out more. This plays heavily into the character and history of [[Durand]] and [[Llieah]]. |
| − | : I don't know much about this, but I suspect the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Robot technonomicon] will direct you truly.
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| − | ==Discussion convention==
| + | Use the information in [[:Category:HOZZ_brothers]] to flesh out the brothers themselves. |
| − | I started out discussing lots of things on thee main article of each page. Then we decided to move the discussions here, since we were deciding on such major elements. Now, it seems that there are more and more sub-discussions being held on each page. I'm fine with this, but I move that we transfer these to the "talk" pages to keep the info we've decided on, and the info we're discussing seperate. Either way works for me, but separating content and conversation might be easier to read and keep up on. [[User:Ziggy|Ziggy]] 00:57, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
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| − | ==Principles of Storytelling==
| + | [[Cosmos]] has a few questions that need answers. |
| − | Moved this to the [[Storytelling]] page.
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| − | ==Nature of the brothers==
| + | [[Llieah]] has a major backstory element added, also affects [[The House]] and [[Durand]]. Review, comment, and revise? |
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| − | Does it make sense to everyone that the HOZZ brothers are half Fay, and thus have their strange powers (whatever those powers may end up being)?
| + | [[Shaquell]], the [[dragon]] could use fleshing out. Also, he needs a much better name. |
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| − | ===random details===
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| − | Added a few more details. Ziggy, and Hugh are now twins. Only Oswald was born on Earth after their parents escaped into hiding (which is why he is stranger than the other brothers). Also added a page for [[Llieah]], their mother.
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| − | Kicking around an interesting idea. What if the HOZZ brothers have an older sister who was taken from their parents, and is still in Fayrie land? After she pressed into the service of the Fairy Queen their father decided to keep all their other children a secret. This could lead to some interesting possibilities to explore. All out rescue, the willing prisoner dilema, loyalty to family vs nation, etc...
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| − | what about half brothers and sisters? [[Durand]] has probably been around for a while. Maybe he's had some previous wives, but since he is awesome, he out lived them or something.
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| − | :Hey, that's a good idea, Durand has probably lived for a long time already. Really though, the Hozz brothers are the ones who are "half", they could be looked down on by their full fay siblings, perhaps as "unimaginitive" or "partially developed". If Durand used (or still uses) his powers for crazy, there could be a lot of these relations. Faierie is a big place.
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| − | ===curse of undead power===
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| − | [[zack]]
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| − | Oooh, I like that. It shows a darker side of hugh, as well as a compassionate lead in to the undead powers bit. We'll have to make a reason that the previous "queen of the undead" or the equivelant is in the neighborhood. Is she a Fey, come to earth to observe the HOZZ brothers? [[User:Ziggy|Ziggy]] 20:05, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
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| − | :i like the idea of the curse because it keeps Zack from seeking the power of the undead, it simply falls into his lap. i dont like the idea of the previous ruler of the undead as a fay, i think that because Zack is half fay he is able to bend the curse to his own will instead of it consuming him, never the less it will be the tool to portray Zack's darker side.--[[User:Zack|Zack]] 19:52, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
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| − | ::Well, a non-fay undead queen will mean that there is other magic than Fay magic, but I'm fine with that. There could be lots of different forms of magic, which all interact in strange ways.[[User:Ziggy|Ziggy]] 05:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
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| − | ===three option===
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| − | This option doesn't really tell us anything. With any of the possiblities we are going to explain it at a later date. However, we should figure the "weird powers" out early on, even if the readers don't know.
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| − | On the other hand leaving lots of room and a good deal unexplained is the only way to make improv really work. Plus trying to figure out everything right now is putting a lot of unnecessary weight on us. We're bound to come up with more creative and more interesting ideas if we add to the mythos bit by bit.
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| − | :Right. We don't have to explain everything. We should agree on some basic concepts though, so this doesn't turn into the "Surreal" story, which I suspect it will if we don't have at least some idea of what's going on. I'm not saying figure out everything now, but the things on this page should probably be nailed down before we start writing too extensively.[[User:Ziggy|Ziggy]] 21:00, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
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| − | ==The Cosmos==
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| − | Figuring out the cosmos is rather important, since it will dictate what stories we tell, and how we tell them. However, we could just start writing the stories and let the cosmos develop around them.
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| − | The advantage of a top down approach is it creates a consistent universe with the possibility for lots of foreshadowing.
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| − | The advantage of the bottom up approach is that exciting and unexpected details about the world will emerge, and stories can start before all the details of the universe are figured out.
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| − | i am in favor of useing both option 1 and 2 in the cosmos section. this theory would suport a finite world as well as grant easy access to multiple worlds. the fact that oswald's door is the portal to many difforent worlds or locations is an awesome idea but i as i explain below, oswald shouldn't be the source of there powers. by the way we need to figure out what that is. i am in favor of any of the many magic systems we have discused off-line.--[[User:Zack|Zack]] 04:13, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
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| − | :Right. However, a definate magic system may not be neccecary at this point. [[User:Ziggy|Ziggy]] 05:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
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| − | ===The Fay, Changelings, and adventure===
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| − | Luke and I (Paul) talked about this idea. The principle is that the Fay are rather like regional spirits. They have their place in Faierie, and they have no desire to venture out of it. However, they do appreciate the fruits of other regions, so they employ humans (changelings) to fetch things for them, and do errands. The Fay could also have unique perspectives on what the "surface" and "sky" of Faierie is. The trolls of the depths might consider the surface to be the [[Adamant]] at the center of their world. Anything above it is just too insubstantial to support life. Their sky is miles of rock, soil, and tunnels. The sylph, on the other hand, inhabit the upper reaches of the sky. The solid-clouds are their ground, the surface of their world. Their sky is the stars, and the [[outer fire]]. The Sylvan Fay would consider the woods to be the surface, below there is no light, and above there is too little vegetation. Their sky would consist of the sky-vines and the clouds. For each Fay, a different place is "home" and they have no need for exploration or adventure. This is what makes the HOZZ brothers so unusual. They have the abilities of the Fay, but are not content with their home, and seek to wander, explore, and learn about the different places in Faierie.
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| − | ===Industry, explosives, and gasoline===
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| − | Ben has a sort of ideal for an industrial society that exists without explosives or fossil fuels. Would we like to work this in to the House of Hozz cosmology? Could this fit in the "real world" or perhaps in one of the alternate universes? How "real" do we want to make the "real world" of the Hozz brothers?
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| − | The Fay world doesn't really need any special gimmick to limit technology. The very existance and potency of magic removes any impetus to widely proliferate technology.
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| − | :True, but I was thinking of this for the "real world", the one on the other side of the portal from Faierie, the one where the hozz brothers grew up. [[User:Ziggy|Ziggy]] 16:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
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| − | :On furthur thought, We really don't need either of these. I'll remove this idea soon if there are no objections.[[User:Ziggy|Ziggy]] 22:01, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
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| − | ===Misc===
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| − | what are changlings?
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| − | :Ahh, good question. A changeling[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changeling] is (technically) the fake person the Fay leave in place when they steal the real person (usually an infant). Often this is just a block of wood enchanted to look and behave like the real person until it apparently grows sick and dies. Alternately, a changeling is the Fay's own child, exchanged for the human child. The concept of the faeries stealing people away and replacing them with changelings is the oldest tradition surrounding the faeries (in mythology). I also use the word "changeling" (for lack of a better word) to describe the humans that are stolen in this fashion. I sould probably stop doing this however, since it is foncuesing. [[User:Ziggy|Ziggy]] 14:58, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
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| − | ====Old Stuff====
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| − | Here's some old stuff I cleaned out from the folders while I was prepping them for commit to SVN [[User:Ziggy|Ziggy]] 05:38, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
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| − | Hugh
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| − | Hunter of Evil. Two major moods, Serious and Goofy. Other than hunting evil, Hugh is mainly just a bum.
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| − | Oswald
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| − | Gamer. Wacko. RPG games and his world some times share properties. Alter-ego as InscrutableMan with the power to confuse!
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| − | Zack
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| − | College student. Zombie lord. Funny man. Bag’s groceries. Re-spawns in the fridge. Zack is never strapped for cash even though he has a meager occupation, nobody asks why.
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| − | Ziggy
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| − | Tech-support. Straight man. Serous but can give into the humor of his wacky counter parts.
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| − | The House!
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| − | The house of Hozz, named for its inhabitance (Huge, Oswald, Zack and Ziggy), is a place of mystery, the outside is really no more than a 2 room house, the inside is a near endless mansion.
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| − | ==Mechanics of the Graphic Novel==
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| − | Several ideas I've come up with require the juxtoposition of to (or more) events in the same page. For instance, Ziggy at the job site dealing with problems vs. Ziggy at home dealing with problems. I'll try to make sure we can do this. If anyone else wants to do something like this, go ahead and write it. We'll worry about the technical execution later.[[User:Ziggy|Ziggy]] 22:32, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
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