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| − | ==Discussion convention==
| + | [[Main_Plot_Arc| The overall story arc]] really needs to be expanded/solidified. |
| − | I started out discussing lots of things on thee main article of each page. Then we decided to move the discussions here, since we were deciding on such major elements. Now, it seems that there are more and more sub-discussions being held on each page. I'm fine with this, but I move that we transfer these to the "talk" pages to keep the info we've decided on, and the info we're discussing seperate. Either way works for me, but separating content and conversation might be easier to read and keep up on. [[User:Ziggy|Ziggy]] 00:57, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
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| − | ==Principles of Storytelling==
| + | [[The University]] needs some more details. Maybe some sketches. |
| − | Moved this to the [[Storytelling]] page.
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| − | ==Nature of the brothers==
| + | [[Escape]] backstory could always be fleshed out more. This plays heavily into the character and history of [[Durand]] and [[Llieah]]. |
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| − | Does it make sense to everyone that the HOZZ brothers are half Fay, and thus have their strange powers (whatever those powers may end up being)?
| + | Use the information in [[:Category:HOZZ_brothers]] to flesh out the brothers themselves. |
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| − | ===random details===
| + | [[Cosmos]] has a few questions that need answers. |
| − | Added a few more details. Ziggy, and Hugh are now twins. Only Oswald was born on Earth after their parents escaped into hiding (which is why he is stranger than the other brothers). Also added a page for [[Llieah]], their mother.
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| − | Kicking around an interesting idea. What if the HOZZ brothers have an older sister who was taken from their parents, and is still in Fayrie land? After she pressed into the service of the Fairy Queen their father decided to keep all their other children a secret. This could lead to some interesting possibilities to explore. All out rescue, the willing prisoner dilema, loyalty to family vs nation, etc...
| + | [[Llieah]] has a major backstory element added, also affects [[The House]] and [[Durand]]. Review, comment, and revise? |
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| − | what about half brothers and sisters? [[Durand]] has probably been around for a while. Maybe he's had some previous wives, but since he is awesome, he out lived them or something.
| + | [[Shaquell]], the [[dragon]] could use fleshing out. Also, he needs a much better name. |
| − | :Hey, that's a good idea, Durand has probably lived for a long time already. Really though, the Hozz brothers are the ones who are "half", they could be looked down on by their full fay siblings, perhaps as "unimaginitive" or "partially developed". If Durand used (or still uses) his powers for crazy, there could be a lot of these relations. Faierie is a big place.
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| − | ===curse of undead power===
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| − | Oooh, I like that. It shows a darker side of hugh, as well as a compassionate lead in to the undead powers bit. We'll have to make a reason that the previous "queen of the undead" or the equivelant is in the neighborhood. Is she a Fey, come to earth to observe the HOZZ brothers? [[User:Ziggy|Ziggy]] 20:05, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
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| − | :i like the idea of the curse because it keeps Zack from seeking the power of the undead, it simply falls into his lap. i dont like the idea of the previous ruler of the undead as a fay, i think that because Zack is half fay he is able to bend the curse to his own will instead of it consuming him, never the less it will be the tool to portray Zack's darker side.--[[User:Zack|Zack]] 19:52, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
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| − | ::Well, a non-fay undead queen will mean that there is other magic than Fay magic, but I'm fine with that. There could be lots of different forms of magic, which all interact in strange ways.[[User:Ziggy|Ziggy]] 05:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
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| − | ===three option===
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| − | This option doesn't really tell us anything. With any of the possiblities we are going to explain it at a later date. However, we should figure the "weird powers" out early on, even if the readers don't know.
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| − | On the other hand leaving lots of room and a good deal unexplained is the only way to make improv really work. Plus trying to figure out everything right now is putting a lot of unnecessary weight on us. We're bound to come up with more creative and more interesting ideas if we add to the mythos bit by bit.
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| − | :Right. We don't have to explain everything. We should agree on some basic concepts though, so this doesn't turn into the "Surreal" story, which I suspect it will if we don't have at least some idea of what's going on. I'm not saying figure out everything now, but the things on this page should probably be nailed down before we start writing too extensively.[[User:Ziggy|Ziggy]] 21:00, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
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| − | ==The Cosmos==
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| − | Figuring out the cosmos is rather important, since it will dictate what stories we tell, and how we tell them. However, we could just start writing the stories and let the cosmos develop around them.
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| − | The advantage of a top down approach is it creates a consistent universe with the possibility for lots of foreshadowing.
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| − | The advantage of the bottom up approach is that exciting and unexpected details about the world will emerge, and stories can start before all the details of the universe are figured out.
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| − | i am in favor of useing both option 1 and 2 in the cosmos section. this theory would suport a finite world as well as grant easy access to multiple worlds. the fact that oswald's door is the portal to many difforent worlds or locations is an awesome idea but i as i explain below, oswald shouldn't be the source of there powers. by the way we need to figure out what that is. i am in favor of any of the many magic systems we have discused off-line.--[[User:Zack|Zack]] 04:13, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
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| − | :Right. However, a definate magic system may not be neccecary at this point. [[User:Ziggy|Ziggy]] 05:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
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| − | ===The Fay, Changelings, and adventure===
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| − | Luke and I (Paul) talked about this idea. The principle is that the Fay are rather like regional spirits. They have their place in Faierie, and they have no desire to venture out of it. However, they do appreciate the fruits of other regions, so they employ humans (changelings) to fetch things for them, and do errands. The Fay could also have unique perspectives on what the "surface" and "sky" of Faierie is. The trolls of the depths might consider the surface to be the [[Adamant]] at the center of their world. Anything above it is just too insubstantial to support life. Their sky is miles of rock, soil, and tunnels. The sylph, on the other hand, inhabit the upper reaches of the sky. The solid-clouds are their ground, the surface of their world. Their sky is the stars, and the [[outer fire]]. The Sylvan Fay would consider the woods to be the surface, below there is no light, and above there is too little vegetation. Their sky would consist of the sky-vines and the clouds. For each Fay, a different place is "home" and they have no need for exploration or adventure. This is what makes the HOZZ brothers so unusual. They have the abilities of the Fay, but are not content with their home, and seek to wander, explore, and learn about the different places in Faierie.
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| − | ===non-multi-dimensional house===
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| − | [[The House]]
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| − | I move that we settle on a finite number of universes [[User:Oswald|Oswald]] 03:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
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| − | :I second the motion. Objections? (probably from Ben, who isn't here right now...): [[User:Ziggy|Ziggy]] 05:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
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| − | I'm in favor of not having an "infinite universes" kind of mechanism. I'd be much more comfortable with a relatively well-defined (or at least limited) number of "parallel" or linked universes. Infinite universes are great for crossovers, parody's, and allowing absurdity. I'm not convinced that it lends itself to a more serious story format though. [[User:Ziggy|Ziggy]] 20:12, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
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| − | Okay, instead of the house being a 'nexus' and connecting to many different realities, how about this.
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| − | The house is the property of the [[:category:HOZZ_brothers|hozz brother's]] [[Durand|fay father]]. For some reason the brothers gain access to it, perhaps Oswald is the most atuned to the fey energies, and when he installs the door in their appartment it links back to their fayrie ancestral home. However, they are also human, so they can travel freely between the worlds. This way we avoid the "infinite universes" thing that many comics with world-jumping tend to run into.
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| − | Bleh, that really limits the possibilities unnecessarily. I like leaving lots of room for imagination. Why limit ourselves? With the nexus approach you can have however many or however few worlds you want with a convenient explanation for their entry into the plot. Plus is makes the house a kind of crazy fun house where anything is possible.
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| − | :Okay, sure. I'm just worried that it will turn into a goofy "let's go back and visit that world where everyone has Hitler moustaches" mechanism.[[User:Ziggy|Ziggy]] 21:00, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
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| − | :I like the idea of having the door being a single portal instead of useing the infinite universe. I have no problem with there being many difforent worlds or portals but Sluggy freelance used the infinite mechanism and it was cute at first but it just gets really old really fast, espesaly if we want to have a semi-serious spin on the story. Also, i think Oswald's power should be locked away in his subconscience. The idea of him being the most powerfull is totaly ok with me but the fact that he was born on earth makes sence that his fay powers would be undeveloped and conflict with his human mind, making him trapped between the two and never fully tapped into ether. I dont have a problem with Oswald being a conduate of the other brothers powers, were having him around they become more in tune with there fay abilities but having him be the actual souce of there power seems rediculous to me --[[User:Zack|Zack]] 03:41, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
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| − | ===Industry, explosives, and gasoline===
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| − | Ben has a sort of ideal for an industrial society that exists without explosives or fossil fuels. Would we like to work this in to the House of Hozz cosmology? Could this fit in the "real world" or perhaps in one of the alternate universes? How "real" do we want to make the "real world" of the Hozz brothers?
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| − | The Fay world doesn't really need any special gimmick to limit technology. The very existance and potency of magic removes any impetus to widely proliferate technology.
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| − | :True, but I was thinking of this for the "real world", the one on the other side of the portal from Faierie, the one where the hozz brothers grew up. [[User:Ziggy|Ziggy]] 16:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
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| − | ===Misc===
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| − | :Ahh, good question. A changeling[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changeling] is (technically) the fake person the Fay leave in place when they steal the real person (usually an infant). Often this is just a block of wood enchanted to look and behave like the real person until it apparently grows sick and dies. Alternately, a changeling is the Fay's own child, exchanged for the human child. The concept of the faeries stealing people away and replacing them with changelings is the oldest tradition surrounding the faeries (in mythology). I also use the word "changeling" (for lack of a better word) to describe the humans that are stolen in this fashion. I sould probably stop doing this however, since it is foncuesing. [[User:Ziggy|Ziggy]] 14:58, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
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